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Breaking into the Playground

with Paul Kendall from Wild Things

In this podcast, Carol Murdoch interviews Paul Kendall from Wild Things, an environmental education charity in Scotland. They discuss Paul's journey into environmental education, the work Wild Things does with various age groups, and the importance of outdoor learning. The conversation highlights the differences between Forest School and Wild Things' approach, the significance of risk assessment, and the long-term impact of environmental education on participants' attitudes towards nature. Paul emphasizes the need for more people to engage with nature and shares future plans for Wild Things, including new projects and training opportunities.



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